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Chris Winter
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Posted - 2014.11.28 01:53:57 -
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EVEMon allows "accelerated game play" by allowing people to more efficiently plan skill queues and check market order status across multiple characters without logging in.
EFT/Pyfa allow "accelerated game play" by allowing theorycrafting of fits for free without having to set them up in game.
Obvious conclusion is that EVEMon, EFT, and Pyfa should all be banned.
EVE has always had a rich set of metagame tools which are available to everyone who wants to use them. ISBoxer was one such tool. It's third party software that makes the game easier and more fun for people who choose to use it. Oddly enough, though, so many people choose not to use it that it becomes not allowed.
Personally I think I'll start a crusade against EFT/Pyfa and the like. People who use them are at a huge advantage compared to people who don't, and therefore they should be banned. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 04:35:30 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Chris Winter wrote:EVEMon allows "accelerated game play" by allowing people to more efficiently plan skill queues and check market order status across multiple characters without logging in.
EFT/Pyfa allow "accelerated game play" by allowing theorycrafting of fits for free without having to set them up in game.
Obvious conclusion is that EVEMon, EFT, and Pyfa should all be banned.
EVE has always had a rich set of metagame tools which are available to everyone who wants to use them. ISBoxer was one such tool. It's third party software that makes the game easier and more fun for people who choose to use it. Oddly enough, though, so many people choose not to use it that it becomes not allowed.
Personally I think I'll start a crusade against EFT/Pyfa and the like. People who use them are at a huge advantage compared to people who don't, and therefore they should be banned. Maybe it did, but here's the thing: it was free. Download it, put in the API key, get the same benefit. ISBoxer has a fee for the platform. That makes it a big difference. There are plenty of tools for EVE that cost money. Excel/Microsoft Office, for one. Should we ban the use of Excel because it costs money?
"No, because there are free alternatives!" you say. But there are also free alternatives to ISBoxer.
As for EVEMon/EFT/Pyfa not affecting game play...what about having a better computer? That "accelerates game play" by allowing you to more easily play, and more easily multibox without isboxer. Should we now ban people with really awesome gaming rigs because they have an unfair advantage over people who play on a potato-class laptop?
For me, I multibox and use isboxer because my playtimes are too random and unpredictable to make a general commitment to a group. If I want to run incursions, I could end up spending two hours waiting for a fleet, and there goes the entirety of my time available that day. That's Not Fun. ISBoxer allows me to play the game when I want without waiting for other people, and yet also have a more difficult (and yes, lucrative) experience than other "solo" content. Basically, I used ISBoxer to provide myself with the "high end solo" content that EVE lacks. It's high risk (if I mess up I lose multiple battleships), fun, and rewarding.
I could go back to just running the same old missions over and over again with a couple accounts, but by comparison it'll be severely boring. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 05:53:21 -
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Odysseus Rhodes wrote:You use a third party program.
To play a multiplayer game, single player.
Without having to interact, and horde the financial gains.
If you truly grind missions like that... make some friends mission with them you will find it more fun that solo-player Multi-boxing because..
PEOPLE!
13000 Brave Newbies can't all be doing it wrong.
High end... solo content... is called PVP. There's not really a ton of "solo" pvp available. I also don't multibox missions--I multibox incursions. I make maybe 60mil per hour per character. That's rather less than what people in actual groups make.
My "financial gains" go to keeping my fleet running. After PLEX and ship replacements, I have basically nothing extra each month. I don't mind. Running a fleet is fun in itself, and I enjoy the challenge.
I also do interact. As is the case with all incursion fleets, I sometimes get contested. I usually lose. So much for your "isboxers have an unfair advantage" claim.
Just a couple days ago a newer player commented on my fleet, I chatted with him for a while, handed him a venture and had him help me with the lyavite in the NMC sites. Interaction and content created. Normal incursion groups don't do that--if you're not in a well equipped BS or logistics cruisers, they're not interested.
Simple fact is that CCP is just giving in to whiners. Unfortunate that they're restricting the sandbox. Next they'll be banning scamming because it makes things harder for new players. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 09:58:18 -
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What I'm trying to figure out is...why were all of you who claim that ISBoxer gives such a huge advantage not using it? It was explicitly allowed by CCP and costs less than a single EVE subscription.
So if it was so powerful in your minds...why weren't you using it? |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 10:08:07 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Chris Winter wrote:What I'm trying to figure out is...why were all of you who claim that ISBoxer gives such a huge advantage not using it? It was explicitly allowed by CCP and costs less than a single EVE subscription.
So if it was so powerful in your minds...why weren't you using it? because I knew its wrong and gonna get banned at some point in the future. Bull. It wasn't "wrong." It was explicitly allowed. Also, this is EVE. People playing EVE do everything they can to get ahead.
The only possible explanation for why people who claim ISBoxer is overpowered weren't using it is because they were too lazy to learn how to set it up and how to use it. Which I guess disproves the "it makes things easy" argument since it was too hard for you. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 10:11:56 -
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leiutenant George wrote:kraken11 jensen wrote:Posted - 2010.04.23 15:51:00 Hello there, To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times. Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping). An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time! Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA. I hope this clears up this matter. Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support from: https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs As you have qutoed, "Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA." Therefore you are issuing commands and the automation is done by the multiboxing software through broadcasting, effectively automating those commands through "X" clients, and, to be perfectly honest, you will have plenty of time to argue that point after Jan 1st, while waiting to hear back from your petition to get you accounts unbanned. I hope I have cleared that up :) Can you even read? The quote you pasted says explicitly that programs which let you "issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed." AKA, broadcasting. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 10:20:36 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: For another, if I'm pvp'ing against one person, why does that one person get to fight me with multiple ships using a single command relayed across all of them with a script? I don't care if he wants to try to multibox a logi or two, but I'll be damned if I'll be beat by some script-kiddie with 20 stealth bombers all slaved to one keypress.
Because you were allowed to do the exact same thing. It's not the isboxer's fault that you choose to gimp yourself with only one account despite repeated CCP promotions encouraging multiboxing. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 10:21:51 -
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leiutenant George wrote:Quote: Can you even read? The quote you pasted says explicitly that programs which let you "issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed." AKA, broadcasting.
Can you even read? Have you read the original post? "Input Broadcasting & Input Multiplexing Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game. Going Forward As of 15th of March 2013 we have been policing input automation based on a two-strike policy GÇó 1st strike for input automation is a 30 day ban GÇó 2nd strike for input automation is a permanent ban Input Automation remains strictly prohibited, and is policed under our suspension and ban policy. Based on the discussion in this area and our will to be more clear and concise with the community regarding this part of our rules, we have decided to also apply this two-strike policy to prohibited forms of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing as of January 1st 2015." good luck with any future petitions :) And the previous GM statement you quoted predates that announcement by several years. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:15:34 -
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Can CCP please clarify to their GMs that this new policy isn't going to be in effect until Jan 1st? There are reports of multiboxers already being banned for broadcasting, and re-petitions being closed...  |

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Posted - 2014.11.29 10:22:40 -
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I'm actually now of the mind that multiboxing at all gives an unfair advantage and should be banned. One player, one account.
People who can afford to have multiple accounts can provide themselves with mining or combat boosts without having to do anything at all on their second character other than sit somewhere in space. They can assign fighters to themselves, thereby drastically increasing the power they wield without requiring any additional work.
Industrialists can dodge the per-character manufacturing/invention/etc slot limitations and give themselves effectively unlimited slots--and due to the recent changes to Advanced Industry, a day-one alt makes just as much profit on a manufacturing job as a max-skilled character does.
Miners can acquire significantly more ore than other people, and by combining their drone flights defend themselves in areas of space where they wouldn't normally be able to.
Wormhole residents can rat in relative safety by having a do-nothing alt sitting cloaked on a wormhole entrance waiting for people to come in. Same for people ratting in null--they can have an alt in the next system over to give themselves advance warning of possible hostiles.
These and other things create a massive divide between the haves and the have-nots, moreso than isboxer does.
One client logged in per player at a time. It's the only way to be fair to all players. |
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Chris Winter
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Posted - 2014.11.29 10:34:19 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Chris Winter wrote:One client logged in per player at a time. It's the only way to be fair to all players and encourage playing with other PEOPLE instead of just playing by oneself, and one's offgrid boost alt, and one's fighter assist carrier, and one's scout alts. And how are you going to enforce that? So my family living at the same address as me are banned from playing EVE at the same time as me? Accounts are registered to a real-life individual owner. So, John Smith and his brother Jack Smith can each play on one account that's registered to them. |

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Posted - 2014.11.29 22:25:12 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Deletion of charsTo the guy pretending to delete chars, can you please do it on tq rather then sisi the next time? That is TQ. Sisi currently has a different login screen. |
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